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17:01:16 <tardyp> #topic introduction
17:01:27 <tardyp> hello everybody
17:01:29 <tardyp> who is here?
17:01:32 <verm__> i am
17:01:39 <tardyp> hi verm__
17:01:45 <verm__> hey
17:02:25 <tardyp> quiet crowd today..
17:02:31 <verm__> i was just about to say that
17:02:35 <tardyp> #topic week in review
17:02:38 <verm__> i don't really have anything to add.. :)
17:02:47 <tardyp> quiet week too
17:03:00 <verm__> seems so which isn't a bad thing
17:03:07 <tardyp> people are preparing for christmas and not too much writing buildbot code.
17:03:40 <tardyp> #topic hardware setup
17:03:40 <verm__> yep older projects tend to get quiet during the holidays while younger ones go crazy it's interesting to see
17:03:49 <tardyp> ahah
17:04:10 <tardyp> anything new at OUSL?
17:04:40 <verm__> nope.. though, we should consider getting bluray backups going
17:05:01 <tardyp> you have a blueray back system?
17:05:06 <verm__> service1 has a bluray writer than can do 55GB blurays
17:05:11 <verm__> no, we do :)
17:05:13 <verm__> it's always been there
17:05:18 <verm__> <HL-DT-ST BD-RE  WH16NS40 1.00>    at scbus5 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass2)
17:05:19 <tardyp> nice
17:05:32 <tardyp> with a disc switcher?
17:05:40 <verm__> https://www.lg.com/us/burners-drives/lg-BH12LS35-internal-blu-ray-dvd-drive
17:05:53 <verm__> no, but the OSL can rotate i mean 55GB should be way more than enough for us to backup to
17:06:36 <verm__> it's a really nice unit we should purchase some dual layer blurays and get a backup system going with it
17:06:56 <verm__> then periodically have those discs mailed to random botherders for safety
17:07:16 <tardyp> well we don't have too much critical data anyway.
17:07:32 <tardyp> everything is on github now.
17:07:37 <tardyp> mailing list backups..
17:07:43 <tardyp> the old trac?
17:07:46 <verm__> the only thing i consider critical is the time and effort spent to setup all our infrastructure, mailing lists, ftp data etc
17:08:07 <tardyp> yes, which is normally in ansible
17:08:24 <tardyp> and not sure if we can really backup the setup of infra that is not in ansible that way
17:08:45 <tardyp> then, nowadays wouldn't that be easier to just backup to s3?
17:08:55 <tardyp> rather than flying disks
17:09:16 <verm__> well, maybe but that still relies on credentials and access
17:09:29 <tardyp> right
17:09:44 <verm__> what do we do, 5, 10 years down the road?  a simple disc is easy to handle and it's permanent.
17:10:11 <tardyp> well bluray ages as well.
17:10:17 <verm__> i'm not saying we have to but we do own the drive even if all we end up doing is writing the various etc directories and configs to it
17:10:24 <tardyp> not sure if 10years writtable blue ray will be reasable
17:11:11 <verm__> well 100 years should be fine for bluray
17:11:31 <verm__> with BD-RE, i've seen companies treating it as low as 25
17:12:40 <tardyp> ok
17:12:54 <verm__> but for me the attraction has always been access.. you can't accidentally delete an already written bluray
17:13:05 <tardyp> yep
17:13:17 <verm__> i guess maybe it's not something important for us but that may mean a 55GB bluray could last us a full year heh
17:13:50 <verm__> i would backup github tickets, the wiki, databases etc at least we'll have a historical record that could be useful as well and one disc change a year is not so bad
17:13:51 <tardyp> #info good discussion about blueray disks backup (see logs). We should look at backuping our mailing lists and /etc config there
17:15:26 <verm__> that's all i have to add :)
17:15:51 <tardyp> looks like feasible: https://developer.github.com/v3/migrations/orgs/#download-an-organization-migration-archive
17:16:04 <tardyp> #endmeeting